tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post115413295354286958..comments2024-03-14T22:55:24.426+08:00Comments on Mr Wang Bakes Good Karma: Singapore Says NoGilbert Koh aka Mr Wanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01027678080233274309noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154562639325393302006-08-03T07:50:00.000+08:002006-08-03T07:50:00.000+08:00If we measure everything with its economic value i...If we measure everything with its economic value ie disruption to our daily schedule of making more money, or that it is not effective and worthwhile, then we can all agree that Kausikan should put all those 'old and won't conveniently die off' types to permanent sleep. <BR/><BR/>Actually, I think we should also save all those monies on silly campaigns that don't seem very effective and cause a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154516815521356282006-08-02T19:06:00.000+08:002006-08-02T19:06:00.000+08:00hehe ,,,invite those demonstrator to an luxury 120...hehe ,,,invite those demonstrator to an luxury 120 coourse buffet like close door 4 wall exibition hall.if not enough,'upgrade'watever the goverment can think of.dispense $$$ to the protester or the internetional pressmen if insufficient so they will compliment us ..haha//singapore ve done very well.....blah bjahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154514996197760822006-08-02T18:36:00.000+08:002006-08-02T18:36:00.000+08:00I personally think that disruption is the key to t...I personally think that disruption is the key to the game. If the negotiators don't perceive the threat they would just go on with their agenda. The question is how big a distruption is enough to make them wake up their ideas. So far the HK protest has managed to stall/delay the decision.(correct me if I am wrong, I am not an avid news reader). It hasn't reached the threshold where it flips inpalmisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03667985166780804632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154488465941607092006-08-02T11:14:00.000+08:002006-08-02T11:14:00.000+08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154475386238302492006-08-02T07:36:00.000+08:002006-08-02T07:36:00.000+08:00Well, let me give you some thoughts on how a publi...Well, let me give you some thoughts on how a public demonstration could be effective. This is a general discussion - not related to IMF/World Bank in particular.<BR/><BR/>A public demonstration can be effective because if it is large, it conveys to the relevant organisation some sense of the number of people who feel strongly enough about the issue to take the trouble to come and participate. ForGilbert Koh aka Mr Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01027678080233274309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154434748284549752006-08-01T20:19:00.000+08:002006-08-01T20:19:00.000+08:00anon 1:28pmI think you missed my point. I don't k...anon 1:28pm<BR/><BR/>I think you missed my point. I don't know why you want to compare a celebration with a protest. Well, of course everyone one can turn up in brown shirt and let the shirt speak to the lofty ministers, it would roughly have the same effect. Actually that would be quite a sight a sea of brown drowning the man in white.<BR/><BR/>I am not against free speech but I think free palmisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03667985166780804632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154409828783809762006-08-01T13:23:00.000+08:002006-08-01T13:23:00.000+08:00Yeah Palmist, that's right. I'm sure peaceful prot...Yeah Palmist, that's right. I'm sure peaceful protests will bring disorder to the streets... almost like another event that's happening somewhere in the second weekd of August. Ever wonder why there's so much pomp and circumstance for National Day?<BR/><BR/>In this case, the whole point of the exercise are the rights of the people protesting. Just because you perceive to not be feeling the ill Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154344325230723952006-07-31T19:12:00.000+08:002006-07-31T19:12:00.000+08:00Everyone wants the right to speak but is protest t...Everyone wants the right to speak but is protest the most effective way to convey a message? Do you seriously think that people holding some placard, milling around is going to make an impact? At the most just a curious peek from the passerby. Unless you create a ruckus I don't think you put any pressure on the delegates. They just go on with their business and do what they want to do. I palmisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03667985166780804632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154332856833578102006-07-31T16:00:00.000+08:002006-07-31T16:00:00.000+08:00Your worries are unfounded, the delegates would be...Your worries are unfounded, the delegates would be very well protected from "rumors, lies, etc"<BR/><BR/>Civil servants, taxi drivers, service staffs had already attended courses, teaching them only to say good things about Singapore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154330240005792692006-07-31T15:17:00.000+08:002006-07-31T15:17:00.000+08:00I hope many of the delegates will be interested in...I hope many of the delegates will be interested in meeting the other Singaporean - the one isn't just a yes-man. <BR/><BR/>Then the government will be presented with a dilemma - it would look bad to restrict the delegates.le radical galoisienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14684821442296479803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154311877733451472006-07-31T10:11:00.000+08:002006-07-31T10:11:00.000+08:00Interestingly, I actually find the movie V for Ven...Interestingly, I actually find the movie V for Vendetta might be able to answer some of the 'questions' being asked here. :P<BR/><BR/>Anyway it is definitely a tragic if a demonstration turns violence. However, I believe many Sinkaporeans are simply too ignorant and kiasee and presume that demonstration is nothing but only trouble-making. Demonstration is so rare here and after watching so many Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154289051841666362006-07-31T03:50:00.000+08:002006-07-31T03:50:00.000+08:00OK, I am spending WAYYYYYY too much time on this.T...OK, I am spending WAYYYYYY too much time on this.<BR/><BR/>To be fair, the main purpose of Singapore 2006 is to showcase what Singapore has to offer as a MICE destination.<BR/><BR/>In this sense, it would do to have a repeat of Seattle a few years back and make the government look like incompetent idiots.<BR/><BR/>So some sort of management and control is needed.<BR/><BR/>Of course, if our Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154281913534985112006-07-31T01:51:00.000+08:002006-07-31T01:51:00.000+08:00This has got me going.It would be very apparant to...This has got me going.<BR/><BR/>It would be very apparant to foreign journalists to see the lack of space given to NGOs if the meeting is "too quiet". <BR/><BR/>It would almost be like the Twilight Zone. <BR/><BR/>This simple fact can't be lost to the government. It would actually make the whole event look bad for the Singapore government.<BR/><BR/>To control the damage, if I am the government, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154278460896441522006-07-31T00:54:00.000+08:002006-07-31T00:54:00.000+08:00Well, when the IMF/World Bank announced that all N...Well, when the IMF/World Bank announced that all NGOs have until 3 Aug to register for the chance to demonstrate in Singapore, I thought it would be interesting to see what would happen if organisations like Think Centre, PLU, opposition parties, or even foreign maids and study mommas are to register.<BR/><BR/>Even more interesting -- <BR/><BR/>What would happen if an anti-dealth penalty group Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154243859177248132006-07-30T15:17:00.000+08:002006-07-30T15:17:00.000+08:00One day all of us may become crazy with PAP propan...One day all of us may become crazy with PAP propanganda. It looks like we are half way down the road with the media treating us like mental retards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154230342102713372006-07-30T11:32:00.000+08:002006-07-30T11:32:00.000+08:00Hey, at least they are getting air-conditioning an...Hey, at least they are getting air-conditioning and away from the heat, humidity and grime that is in our city.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154223807864035132006-07-30T09:43:00.000+08:002006-07-30T09:43:00.000+08:00Aiyah, we might as well have restricted protests t...Aiyah, we might as well have restricted protests to a private and secure website - yes, an online protest. Just type in all your grouses, and the Singapore government will see to it that the messages are duly forwarded to the organisers!<BR/><BR/>I can see we're going to be very popular with all manner of rich international and multinational organisations who want to meet behind closed doors. HeyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154221310962812782006-07-30T09:01:00.000+08:002006-07-30T09:01:00.000+08:00Palmist is wrong. Singapore wants those protesters...Palmist is wrong. Singapore wants those protesters. <BR/><BR/>Every tourist dollar counts, when your next decade of growth depends on idiots coming to our shores. <BR/><BR/>If we are going to welcome gamblers and the whole lot of unsavoury characters that follows, how's a few protester going to hurt???<BR/><BR/>I would salute Wong Kan Seng if he could make these protestors smile inside those fourWhispers from the hearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00033316941375770997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154215814746404092006-07-30T07:30:00.000+08:002006-07-30T07:30:00.000+08:00it's part of freedom of expression. It is an inali...it's part of freedom of expression. It is an inalienable right.<BR/><BR/>You don't want your fellow citizens of the world to speak up?<BR/><BR/>I hope you know, these protestors are fighting for you, for me, for all of us, from the rampages of corporate globalism.le radical galoisienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14684821442296479803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154195603513903412006-07-30T01:53:00.000+08:002006-07-30T01:53:00.000+08:00actually what is so good about protest or gatherin...actually what is so good about protest or gatherings? I personally don't want any protest in singapore and I would rather they send all those protesters back home.palmisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03667985166780804632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154188452361957832006-07-29T23:54:00.000+08:002006-07-29T23:54:00.000+08:00Govt, do i have to smile and provide good service ...Govt, do i have to smile and provide good service to these pesky foreign troublemakers huh? Afterall they are visitors to Singapore leh. Or I just need to reserve my best standards to those wearing expensive suits and ties??<BR/><BR/>CabbieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154185045732755992006-07-29T22:57:00.000+08:002006-07-29T22:57:00.000+08:00'Terrorism' is just a strawman excuse to curb free...'Terrorism' is just a strawman excuse to curb free speech and free rights (eg. freedom of assembly) without losing the oh-so-precious face when the visitors arrive in September.<BR/><BR/>In Singapore, basically it works like this: <BR/><BR/>1) make protests and street demonstrations, and even public speeches, next to impossible to happen.<BR/><BR/>2) the fact there are no protests is establishedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154182501650591422006-07-29T22:15:00.000+08:002006-07-29T22:15:00.000+08:00Can someone enlighten me as to why terrorists woul...Can someone enlighten me as to why terrorists would specially target protesters?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154173893718238112006-07-29T19:51:00.000+08:002006-07-29T19:51:00.000+08:00Some more additions...Terrorism isn't even a globa...Some more additions...<BR/><BR/>Terrorism isn't even a global threat. Terrorism has been around for decades. It's a threat to Iraq, etc. but only a mild threat currently to us. <BR/><BR/>I also think there are way more arguments against the WB and the IMF. Possibly the WTO. <BR/><BR/>For example the international establishment usually requires a ban on narcotics, even mild ones like cannabis/le radical galoisienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14684821442296479803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1154171593534631542006-07-29T19:13:00.000+08:002006-07-29T19:13:00.000+08:00If things become ugly, then I have hope - that peo...If things become ugly, then I have hope - that people are willing to take risks for Singaproe. <BR/><BR/>I'm not sure how many of us would be able to overcome our timidity, but if I were in Singapore now, there might be a few things I'd be willing to do.le radical galoisienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14684821442296479803noreply@blogger.com