tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post114800425581561941..comments2024-03-14T22:55:24.426+08:00Comments on Mr Wang Bakes Good Karma: Musical Talent CrushedGilbert Koh aka Mr Wanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01027678080233274309noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-17435431935006306662016-06-28T10:52:41.554+08:002016-06-28T10:52:41.554+08:00thank's for info, very design for home nice, e...thank's for info, very <a href="http://newhomedesign12.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">design for home</a> nice, easy to <a href="http://specifications-price123.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">specifications and price</a> understand and remains <a href="http://homedesignminimalist1.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">free home design</a> always a great web success .. yaaa :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03860945477552091700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-76289734135042186942015-03-10T10:45:28.991+08:002015-03-10T10:45:28.991+08:00Helpful once ya news,
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Just my thoughts...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148997150292249072006-05-30T21:52:00.000+08:002006-05-30T21:52:00.000+08:00http://www.petitiononline.com/ike_see/petition.htm...http://www.petitiononline.com/ike_see/petition.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148922667958640422006-05-30T01:11:00.000+08:002006-05-30T01:11:00.000+08:00Although it was quite a while ago of the Ike See a...Although it was quite a while ago of the Ike See aka See Ian Ike case, let me say something objective about it now because I have been very caught up with something else.<BR/><BR/>The reasons why I think Mindef was right to reject his deferment are quite a few. <BR/><BR/>1. Firstly they cannot be partial to some people and be made to be seen as promoting special elite classes in Singapore, such Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148877013923934932006-05-29T12:30:00.000+08:002006-05-29T12:30:00.000+08:00I guess that's where we defer. I see NS as importa...I guess that's where we defer. <BR/><BR/>I see NS as important for national security. Not for fairness.<BR/><BR/>It's not "fair" that SAF NS officers have to serve 10 years longer than non-officers, but I can see the rationale, from the "national security" point of view.Gilbert Koh aka Mr Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01027678080233274309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148874669943705412006-05-29T11:51:00.000+08:002006-05-29T11:51:00.000+08:00Ehh, this thread is going on and on, and now we ev...Ehh, this thread is going on and on, and now we even have dead people in it.<BR/><BR/>With all the argument about fairness and what Ike's talent or NS means to singapore, the more I see it as fair to all other NS serving singaporeans that Ike does not get special treatment.<BR/><BR/>I don't agree with the argument that "since Ike's NS service won't affect SG's defence capability significantly we Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148822102468038442006-05-28T21:15:00.000+08:002006-05-28T21:15:00.000+08:00FUCK NS!!!If you believe in their propaganda, the ...FUCK NS!!!<BR/><BR/>If you believe in their propaganda, the 3G SAF is now more lethal & effective with the need for fewer soldiers.<BR/><BR/>In that case I SAY AGAIN - FUCK NS and stop conscription!!! Employing a professional army who consistently train with commitment will be more effective.<BR/><BR/>Why? 'cos those Cat Y/Z uncles simply CMI (cannot make it) when it's DEFCON. If peacetime mob & Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148547997200422742006-05-25T17:06:00.000+08:002006-05-25T17:06:00.000+08:00"Besides, who is to say that nurturing a talent is..."Besides, who is to say that nurturing a talent is more important than, say, feeding family members. So many Singaporeans are living hand to mouth that when their breadwinners are called up for NS, the family get plunged into poverty."<BR/><BR/>----------<BR/><BR/>True ... this is a problem. It should be tackled too. Who knows, NS deferments might be the way, or perhaps even exemptions, or Gilbert Koh aka Mr Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01027678080233274309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148547663027809212006-05-25T17:01:00.000+08:002006-05-25T17:01:00.000+08:00"What is the value to Singapore of Ike's enrollmen..."What is the value to Singapore of Ike's enrollment into Curtis? Not much. Singapore can miss a talent or two."<BR/><BR/>The flip side, of course, is that the following statement is even more true:<BR/><BR/>"What is the value to Singapore of Ike's enlistment into the SAF? Not much. Singapore can miss a soldier or two."<BR/><BR/>The value of Ike's enrolment in Curtis - it's quite easy to link it Gilbert Koh aka Mr Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01027678080233274309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148547332538998922006-05-25T16:55:00.000+08:002006-05-25T16:55:00.000+08:00In the field of theoretical physics, it is widely ...In the field of theoretical physics, it is widely agreed that the productivity of a scientist goes downhill, after turning 30. As much as an undergraduate education help in jumpstarting a talent, the process doesnt stop there. If Ike See doesnt get crushed now, he may still get crushed later, when he again seeks deferment for postgrad education or upon graduation work opportunity in some world singaporeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740602176668303504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148545510578951112006-05-25T16:25:00.000+08:002006-05-25T16:25:00.000+08:00What is the value to Singapore of Ike's enrollment...What is the value to Singapore of Ike's enrollment into Curtis? Not much. Singapore can miss a talent or two.<BR/><BR/>Why would someone support Ike's deferment? Because I sympathise with him situation.<BR/><BR/>However, if Mindef allows Ike to defer, it will have a hard time justifying its likely rejection of many other appeals. Here, I believe Mindef made the right choice. Many who served NS Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148540997689471132006-05-25T15:09:00.000+08:002006-05-25T15:09:00.000+08:00Singaporean said:"I think I have to disagree with ...Singaporean said:<BR/><BR/>"I think I have to disagree with Mr Wang and agree with flos that there is no fair means of selection: A talent to Mr Wang may mean squat to me."<BR/><BR/>----------<BR/><BR/>Funny thing is that I agree fully with you when you say that a talent to me may mean squat to you. Vice versa too. <BR/><BR/>But the subjectivity element doesn't mean that we can't make fair Gilbert Koh aka Mr Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01027678080233274309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148539328869023462006-05-25T14:42:00.000+08:002006-05-25T14:42:00.000+08:00"But I tend to think that women should learn to ta..."But I tend to think that women should learn to talk less about comparing NS with childbirth, lest stupid people like me may start to think about making women who fail to get pregnant by 30, a criminal offender with mandatory 2 years jail time."<BR/>---------------------------<BR/>Aiyah, actually I was just joking. <BR/><BR/>Let's meet up and I will have your child.<BR/><BR/>Flos<BR/>(now I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148538943957676092006-05-25T14:35:00.000+08:002006-05-25T14:35:00.000+08:00"Sorry, I don't agree. If it were that way, NS sho..."Sorry, I don't agree. If it were that way, NS should just be abolished and no one should have to do it - then that would be perfectly fair.<BR/><BR/>The starting point must be that NS is necessary for the nation's security. Otherwise the discussion would be markedly different. <BR/><BR/>Having agreed that NS is necessary for the nation's security, we then consider the how's, why's, what's or "NSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148538117127061492006-05-25T14:21:00.000+08:002006-05-25T14:21:00.000+08:00I think I have to disagree with Mr Wang and agree ...I think I have to disagree with Mr Wang and agree with flos that there is no fair means of selection: A talent to Mr Wang may mean squat to me. If Bill Gates had to wait two years to found Microsoft, he would have missed the whole boat. In fact, he was in such a hurry he couldnt even wait to complete school. What kind of visionary would it take to see the difference the two years would make? (singaporeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16740602176668303504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148537733515234422006-05-25T14:15:00.001+08:002006-05-25T14:15:00.001+08:00Hi Wang, I hope that we do not degrade this discus...Hi Wang, I hope that we do not degrade this discussion into an insult-trading excercise.<BR/><BR/>As I said, I recently came across your blog and find it very enjoyable. I respect the effort and guts needed to set up a blog like this, and think it's great.<BR/><BR/>People never agree on many things, and this is something I hope we can all accept.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps this thread has become a bit too Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148537733070304282006-05-25T14:15:00.000+08:002006-05-25T14:15:00.000+08:00You said:The question about Ike is thus NOT "If we...You said:<BR/><BR/>The question about Ike is thus NOT "If we defer him will it affect our defense?"<BR/><BR/>But rather, "If we defer him, are we being UNFAIR to all the others?"<BR/><BR/>-----<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I don't agree. If it were that way, NS should just be abolished and no one should have to do it - then that would be perfectly fair.<BR/><BR/>The starting point must be that NS is necessaryGilbert Koh aka Mr Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01027678080233274309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148537398647476272006-05-25T14:09:00.000+08:002006-05-25T14:09:00.000+08:00Ozy, there is no need to get emotional just becaus...Ozy, there is no need to get emotional just because someone disagrees with you.<BR/><BR/>From the way you are talking about me taking meds(the old internet insult ever since blogging started), you sound rather upset.<BR/><BR/>Suggest you go off and watch some porn, since this discussion is too mature for you.<BR/><BR/>flosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148536898061873242006-05-25T14:01:00.000+08:002006-05-25T14:01:00.000+08:00Flos:So, you also advocate that foreign students a...Flos:<BR/><BR/>So, you also advocate that foreign students and tourists should also do NS in the name of universal equality? <BR/><BR/>Are you sure it's wise to stop taking your meds?<BR/><BR/>Oh, do you also know that you can be a Singaporean woman and choose not to have children?Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04726805279916950590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148532914841848552006-05-25T12:55:00.000+08:002006-05-25T12:55:00.000+08:00As to the question of fairness, of course women sh...As to the question of fairness, of course women should serve NS. But since we aren't called, we don't go.<BR/><BR/>As I said, there are many unfair exemptions and deferments(women not serving NS is one).<BR/><BR/>But this should not affect the principle of equal treatment for all.<BR/><BR/>In any case, another irrelevant point and a "no brainer"(following LeeHS) also:<BR/><BR/>I would serve NS Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148532427669972422006-05-25T12:47:00.000+08:002006-05-25T12:47:00.000+08:00Sadly, my basic argument is not being carried acro...Sadly, my basic argument is not being carried across here.<BR/><BR/>It is simply that all men must be treated equally. This is the basis of respect for your fellow men and all human rights. That's all.<BR/><BR/>Now if you don't agree with that, it's no point writing on.<BR/><BR/>But hopefully you do.<BR/><BR/>About conscription, the needs for the nation's security are very important but Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148531813786118022006-05-25T12:36:00.000+08:002006-05-25T12:36:00.000+08:00"Your arguments about how well women might perform..."Your arguments about how well women might perform in the military is irrelevant. The point is that there is no need for them to be conscripted en masse."<BR/><BR/>Of course they are irrelevant. They are just there to entertain and enlighten you men.<BR/><BR/>flosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148531590882063272006-05-25T12:33:00.000+08:002006-05-25T12:33:00.000+08:00Thus, may I continue by saying that some decisions...Thus, may I continue by saying that some decisions impact greatly upon many people and also arouse much argument and controversy.<BR/><BR/>It is with these decisions that we should not have some elitist decision-maker appointed by the PAP or some elitist group. Better that we simply have a policy that is fair for all.<BR/><BR/>Thousands of singaporeans have sacrificed their dreams and years of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12908820.post-1148531492281605812006-05-25T12:31:00.000+08:002006-05-25T12:31:00.000+08:00You have no response to my preceding comment?Never...You have no response to my preceding comment?<BR/><BR/>Never mind then.<BR/><BR/>Let's talk about the ladies. Recall:<BR/><BR/>1. First, we assume that the nation is a good thing.<BR/><BR/>2. Next, we assume that a defence force is necessary for the protection of the nation.<BR/><BR/>3. Third step is that we need many citizens to be part of this defence force. Hence NS.<BR/><BR/>4. We recognise Gilbert Koh aka Mr Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01027678080233274309noreply@blogger.com